Friday, March 5, 2010

So, What Should Regnum Christi Members Do Now?

The Apostolic Visitation only covered the Legion, and possibly the ‘consecrated’ women. Your average Regnum Christi member is pretty much on her own right now. The Church isn’t going to tell her whether to stay or go – the Vatican doesn’t have that kind of authority over the laity. Unless the local bishop bans Regnum Christi, the members are going to have to come to a decision on their own.

So here are the cold hard facts of the matter:

-Regnum Christi takes its ‘charism’ as a movement from Maciel.

-Maciel didn’t actually HAVE a charism. He was simply using the people in the movement to fulfill his own insatiable desires for sex, power and money.

-Most Regnum Christi sponsored groups use Legionary priests for spiritual guidance. While these priests probably have good intentions, they’ve been formed by men who have been formed by Maciel. Maciel could NOT form good priests, because he was not a good priest himself.

Basically, Regnum Christi is going to die a slow death. Those of us on the outside are not going to trust our children to programs like K4J, Challenge, and Conquest. A simple Google search or two can reveal the Maciel connection. Even if the local leaders are good people, why should we participate in groups tainted by their links to Maciel? There are other programs that accomplish the same ends with better means.

So where does that leave current RC members? Chances are that the Visitation will sever the ties between Legion and Regnum – which leaves Regnum as collection of apostolates that ultimately answer to a central authority (The Mission Network.)

But you know what? The whole IDEA of the Mission Network goes against Church teachings on Subsidiarity. The Church urges us to try to do as much as possible at a local level. Instead of imposing a standardized national program, we need to step back, observe, and really see what our individual parishes need.

This also follows what Christ taught us about Charity. He didn’t say “If you meet a man with no cloak, and you have two, organize a national coat drive with huge fundraising capabilities and multiple levels of bureaucracy.” No. You’re just supposed to see his need and solve it on the spot, by giving him one of your coats.

The Knights of Columbus provide a good example of how to do this. They’re a national organization (mostly for Life Insurance purposes, as far as I can tell!), but they do an incredible amount of charitable work at the local level.

Check out the back pages of Columbia magazine some time. Their projects tend to run along the lines of “Knights from the St. Jerome Council in River City Iowa noticed that the parish wheelchair ramp was falling apart. They raised funds, purchased materials for a new ramp, and spent Saturday afternoon installing it with volunteer labor.”

This is how we are called to practice Charity. It’s personal, it’s helpful, and it doesn’t seek any reward.

It also presents a way forward for current Regnum Christi members. You joined because you loved God, and wanted to serve the Church. You thought that Maciel was a holy man, who could teach you how to love Christ. You were fooled.

But you don’t need Regnum Christi. You have your parish and you have your family. You can model your family on the Holy Family – Mary didn’t serve God by organizing fashion shows. She took care of her family and neighbors. When you bring dinner to a new mom, you’re serving God and the Church. When you give an elderly neighbor a ride to the hospital, you’re serving God.

These are quiet acts of charity. There’s no ego boost with them, no feeling of accomplishment. But they are huge gifts to the people on the receiving end, and a way of making God’s Love present in their lives.

You need time to heal. You need time to recover. You need time to unlearn the bad that Maciel gave you and to immerse yourself in the good that is your local church. You don’t need to do big things right now. It’s enough to pray, love your family, and love your neighbor.

* A quick side note for people wondering how this mess affects their children:

If you have small children, you obviously don’t want to go into the details of Maciel’s perversions. You can just explain that sometimes bad men pretend to be good and holy – and then they can trick people. (There are lots of fairy tales and folktales that teach this lesson.) But, it’s OK because God never tricks and he always keeps his promises.

For slightly older children, C.S. Lewis’s “The Last Battle” deals with this problem very well. Heck, it’s a great read for adults, too. Lewis was a very wise man. If you read it with Maciel as the ape and RC/LC as the donkey, you have a great allegory for the current situation.

For teens – I’ve noticed there’s a certain anti-teen element in a lot of what Maciel taught – the whole idea of ‘Lost Vocation, Sure Damnation’ and sending boys to the Apostolic schools to ‘protect’ them plays into a lot of parental fears about the teen years.

You’ll need to be honest with your teens. And for good advice on how to encourage your teen to stay Catholic, check out These links.  Father Longnecker has thought a lot about how to bring teens to the Church, and he has a great approach that values their intelligence and freedom.
** One last digression***

For those of you wondering how this will effect the Visitation - The children of Maciel have been working with the Visitors since the beginning. In fact, I wonder if the reason all this is coming out now is because Benedict WANTS it to come out. After all, you need to bring the filth to light before you can clean it up. And the revelations of Maciel’s crimes will help current members understand the Vatican’s actions.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

There are groups historically linked to RC that have seemed to clip the ties, at least officially. I am thinking of Endow, for instance. But still, given RC's lack of transparency, it's hard to trust that they are not somehow still connected. Any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

I was just thinking about "The Last Battle" on my way home from work tonight! Don't know why. I'm going to start reading the Narnia Chronicles tonight to my kids. Someone is trying to tell me something.

Anonymous said...

I read both of your posts about the LC/RC. I'll let the Church decide on the Constitutions of the LC and the Statutes of the RC.

Concerning works of charity, I think you are confusing activism and apostolate.

As an RC member I do a lot in parish, but it seldom meets my spiritual needs b/c my pastor has to present the faith on a remedial level. Yes, I have tried to start a group within the parish to study the faith deeper but to no avail, folks like being mediocre. With the LC and RC I can pursue spiritual heights.

Concerning subsidiarity, then I guess the dioceses' offices violate that principle or the USCCB or the publishing houses that print our children's catechetical text books.

Lastly, new charisms give you the "ookies" my response comes from Thomas A Kempis "Our opinions and our understanding often lead us astray and offer us very little insight." Imitation of Christ chapter 3

Deirdre Mundy said...

Anon 4:11 –
> I'll let the Church decide on the Constitutions of the LC and the Statutes of the RC.

The problem isn’t the constitutions and statutes of the groups. The problem is that LC and RC were founded by an evil man. Even worse, the leadership has known about Maciel’s crimes for years, yet continued to hold him up as an example to the members – as a living saint. When the corruption runs so deep, “Vatican approved” constitutions aren’t enough to save you.

>Concerning works of charity, I think you are confusing activism and apostolate.

How so? How is making someone dinner or helping out a neighbor “Activism?” Or are you saying that the RC Apostolates are actually “Activism?” Would you mind defining your terms so I can understand the argument you’re making?

>As an RC member I do a lot in parish, but it seldom meets my spiritual needs b/c my >pastor has to present the faith on a remedial level. Yes, I have tried to start a group >within the parish to study the faith deeper but to no avail, folks like being mediocre. >With the LC and RC I can pursue spiritual heights.

It’s true—you can’t expect your pastor to find the time to work through the Doctors of the Church with you, or to provide tutorials on encyclicals. BUT we do live in the internet age. If you wish to study the faith more deeply, there are lots of resources at your fingertips.

As for your ‘mediocre’ fellow parishioners – perhaps they’re busy. Perhaps they’re not interested in the same works you are. Perhaps they’ve already mastered those works. It’s not exactly charitable to assume that they’re ‘happy being mediocre.’ Maybe they’re just introverts.

And how can a group that ENCOURAGED YOU TO STUDY AND INTERNALIZE THE WORDS OF A SODOMITE CHILD MOLESTING EMBEZZLER help you reach ‘Spiritual Heights?’ As Peter Vere says, you cannot give what you have not received.

On a more practical note – are you in an area with many parishes or perhaps a university? Often you can find good study groups in those settings… if you’re way up in the mountains and the only parish around, the internet is probably your best bet. Heck, you could even meet people in the comments sections of your favorite blogs and start and email or facebook discussion group!

>Concerning subsidiarity, then I guess the dioceses' offices violate that principle or the >USCCB or the publishing houses that print our children's catechetical text books.

No, because Subsidiarity means taking care of things at the lowest practical level. The expense to print parish-level textbooks would be insane—especially when the Catechism is always the same.
HOWEVER, individual parish/diocese needs for things like book studies and youth groups vary greatly, depending on geography, community make up, etc. Regimented national programs (That, incidentally, ended up raising money for Maciel’s off-shore accounts) are not the way to go.

>Lastly, new charisms give you the "ookies" my response comes from Thomas A Kempis >"Our opinions and our understanding often lead us astray and offer us very little >insight." Imitation of Christ chapter 3

Fair enough. But my point is that if I have a child considering religious life, at this point I’d be inclined to encourage him to look for an established order with a sainted founder, especially in light of the Legion melt-down.

As for the Intercessors (The group I was referring to) – I’m confused by their set up (brothers, sisters, and laity all living in community?) and I tend to be put off by groups when ‘cult’ is frequently linked to their name. If, in time, they seem to be a stable bunch, I’ll revise my opinion – But for now? They’re not going to be on my “Communities I’d
encourage my children to consider” list. Maybe I’m just not much of a pioneer.

Anonymous said...

I think a good analogy to the situation with the LC (and with RC) is that of cancer.

There is a very, very deeply rooted cancer with the LC. Maciel may have been the start, but the deception, manipulation and all else that made up the cancer spread far & wide throughout the whole legion. And yes, to RC as well.

That isn't to say RC is full of a bunch (or even any!) child molesters. But the same sorts of psychological manipulation and deception that so characteristically mark the legion marks RC to a large degree as well. (This should not be a surprise; as the master, so the student. If LC priests are the ones forming the RC, then they will be passing on the same mal-formation that they themselves have received.)

People will point to the many good & holy LC priests, and the many good & holy RC members. There is no doubt, they are right on both accounts. But when a body has cancer, you can point to all the healthy cells in the world...it doesn't change the fact that when enough cancer is present, it kills the entire body. The "health" of the "healthy cells" cannot overcome the power of the cancer cells to bring death.

It is tragic, but as deep as the deception is rooted in both organizations, there is no hope. What everyone (priests & laity alike) involved in LC/RC needs is a clean break.

Deirdre Mundy said...

Anon 7:22 -- What a great analogy!

logician said...

">Lastly, new charisms give you the "ookies" my response comes from Thomas A Kempis "Our opinions and our understanding often lead us astray and offer us very little insight." Imitation of Christ chapter 3

Fair enough. But..."
No, not really. Essentially anon is saying that you can be mistaken. But that's not what's in question. If one didn't think one could be mistaken, why have the conversation in the first palce? Rather, what's at issue is you get "the ookies" over "new charisms", and whether the root cause of that is valid and reliable or not. The mere fact that you can be mistaken tells us nothing one way or the other.

I mention this because that particular fallacy, of pointing out you could be wrong while ignoring the question of whether you're wrong so as to "legitimize" disagreement without having to particularly back it up, is far too common, even among otherwise well educated Catholics. 'Tisn't how to argue; please go back to Debate 101, Rhetoric 101, or wherever you can find teaching on the philosophical method of inquiry by trying both sides of an issue.

logician said...

*"...why you get 'the ookies..."

I distinctly remember typing that with the word "why" in there...

Deirdre Mundy said...

Logician-- Thanks for the reply. Now that I'm rereading Anon's post, I think what probably set him off was the word 'ookies'.

So yes, Anon, feelings can be mistaken. BUT when an order sends up red flags, we can research and try to find out if our initial feeling of 'something is off here' is on the mark.

I ignored the feeling with RC/LC because they were Church approved. So even though the whole 'living Saint of a Founder' thing disturbed me, and even though I found certain aspects of the 'charism' troubling, I just accepted the fact that the "red flag" feeling was paranoia.

BUT if I had taken the time to, say, google the order, I would have realized something was up by the time I got to the end of the first two pages of hits.

When you google the Intercessors, one of the hits is a CatholicCulture.org site review from last November:http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/reviews/view.cfm?recnum=3768

So, basically, the jury's still out on them.

I'd like to reiterate-- new foundations of older charisms are not the issue. If you want to start a new group of Dominicans, great! I'll have my kids check you out. It's the totally new charisms that worry me.

But even if I'm wrong about a new charism, so what? Catholics are no required to support any particular order, we're not required to send our kids on retreats with every order, we're not even required to LIKE every order. We certainly don't need to find every charism attractive.

Feelings can be mistaken. They can also be a useful warning, a sense that something about a group isn't quite right. The key is to respond to the feelings with research and to inform our consciences.

Also, I think the more religious orders you come into contact with, the more reliable your feelings about new orders can be. You can train yourself to recognize what is typical and what it off.

gto said...

"Your average Regnum Christi member is pretty much on her own right now. The Church isn’t going to tell her whether to stay or go"

The Church does not consider laity to be bound to any group, so if you are waiting for the Church to tell you whether your service to the Legion is wise or unwise it ain't gonna happen.

The Church treats its religious and its laity exactly opposite to the way the Legion treats its members.

Maciel exploited that freedom. His obedience to the Church was passive-aggressive obedience to a Church that relies on free initiative. Whereas the obedience he demanded compromises individual discernment.

gto said...

However lofty the goals if you get the most basic things wrong the machine ain't gonna get you there.

So stop and reflect on what Fr. Thomas Berg tried to tell you after he left for the diocesan priesthood:

http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1339296?eng=y

...inability to see and honestly recognize the flaws and errors that so many people outside the Legion are able to see.

...an unhealthy suppression of personal freedom (which is a far cry from the reasoned, discerned and freely exercised oblation of mind and will that the Holy Spirit genuinely inspires in the institution of religious obedience) and occasions unholy and unhealthy restrictions on personal conscience.

...a simplistic, and humanly and theologically impoverished notion of God's will (its discernment and manifestation) that breeds personal immaturity.

...the negative personality change which many, if not most, Legionaries undergo over time: the shallowness of their emotional expression, the lack of empathy and inability to relate normally to others in so many contexts, the general sense of their being "out of touch," etc.

...It would be a very honest gesture for the Legion of Christ to simply call a halt to all vocational work at least for the duration of the canonical visitation, and even better until it finally gets its house in order.

...systematically deprived of the kind of information they not only have a right to know but a fundamental need to know: a complete presentation of the basic facts of Fr. Maciel's double life

...largely unaware of most of these things, shielded as they are from virtually all negative information about the Legion and Regnum Christi. Consequently, they lack the requisite interior freedom to genuinely discern God's calling in their lives at present.

jhuddart said...

Hi Deirdre,
I had a question regarding what you said about Mission Network being against the Church's teaching on Subsidiarity. I've been involved with Challenge since I was little and I can say that being an organizer it has been a huge help to have a centralized office where the materials (ie the Talks, activities etc) come from. To do that work on our own would have been a huge undertaking. Obviously the group's connection with Fr. Maciel and the Legion's spirituality is an issue, but the reason I have remained involved in Challenge is because I have seen the good that teaching the the Church's teachings to Catholic youth has been - which is essentially all Challenge does. They have also made steps to become more parished based and flexible to each parish's needs. What I learned in Challenge when I was young taught me how to love Christ and the Church. Now, that being said I know there are other ways to accomplish this, but at the time my family and community did not offer any other means of doing this. So in that way Challenge was a huge help in my young faith journey, and that cannot be denied. Despite this I see that there are problems. It has never sat well with me that each member of Challenge pays dues to a head office who does not give the organizers any say in the material they produce. The organizers must also use the money to fund visits of the Consecrated members to their areas - a reality that I believed should have stopped once the visitation began. So, that brings me back to my original question about the Church's teaching on Subsidiarity. Where can I find this teaching? Is there an encyclical or Vatican letter or some sort of document you can point me to?

Jeannette said...

Concerning anon411:
There's a somewhat similar situation at my parish. Some Regnum-affiliated women have started a bible study, but people don't want to join because these ladies have made it very clear over the past several years that they consider most other parishioners to be "mediocre" Catholics at best. They don't seem to be very well versed in Catholic teaching (for example, they seem to think that fashion shows are more important than soup kitchens! Puhleeze, what well-catechized Catholic would go for a silly notion like that?!) and they don't seem to recognize that one of the most important virtues is humility but they THINK they're well-catechized. They treat people like dirt unless they're useful but complained to the pastor that they're being "ostracized"; folks are gun-shy, is all.

You're allowed to stay in Regnum; my understanding is that the pope doesn't shut down lay groups (he doesn't micromanage). We, however, are encouraged to make decisions about the organizations we and our children join, and the vast majority of parents at my parish have decided that K4J, Challenge, ConQuest, LTP, Phases of Womanhood, Our Lady of Bethesda, Walking With purpose, etc are not worth the risk to ourselves and our children. Several parents are quite disappointed that the pastor is, in fact, willing to risk our children's immortal souls on the increasingly slim possibility that the Legion has a valid Catholic charism; he allows them to recruit at the parish and OF COURSE don't acknowledge that the groups are Legion-related.

Since the founder of the Legion probably molested his underage seminarians, fathered at least five children by at least three women, plagiarized "Psalter of My Hours" by Luis Lucia Lucia (I compared the first page of Lucia's book to the first chapter of MM's book. Maciel lifted the entire first page and added a few lines to make his first chapter), embezzled Legion funds and put them in a secret offshore account in the Bahamas for his families' support, and raped his own son and "stepson" when they were 7 or 8 years old, many Catholics in good standing have decided that they don't want to follow his spiritual journey. For the record, this is the same reason I would recommend against parents letting their kids join Lifeteen. Each person has to decide which wrong he'd rather be; but you should keep in mind that others will judge your character based on this (who will listen to the Monk, now that he's broadcast his preference concerning the story about Maciel's raped son?)

jane said...

Dear anonymous of 4:11,
I left RC last year. I too was seeking spiritual heights, both before I joined RC and while I was in. However, I felt morally bound to leave RC last year due to my disappointment with the Legion's response to the scandal, as well as the poor treatment I received whenever I expressed my concern for Maciel's victims. The latest Legionary response to Maciel's son's revelation of incestuous abuse was just another example of callousness and lack of mercy, to accuse him publicly of extortion. It's disgraceful for priests to treat victims this way, and no personal benefit to myself or my family could ever justify aligning myself with these people.

When I left RC, I worried that I would miss out on those spiritual heights you describe. However, leaving RC didn't squash my appetite for good formation. There is no need to fill this void with a group activity, I found many books and audio/video materials to continue my own personal formation. For example, I was always drawn to Ignatian spirituality, and I found the books of Father Timothy Gallagher, OMV, to be a great source of spiritual growth. I looked up "Ignatian retreats" on the internet, and found a lovely retreat in the fall. It proved to be another source of spiritual growth for me.

It has been very freeing for me to respond to the inner prompting of the Holy Spirit to guide me towards God's will for my life. That path is mine and mine alone, no team member or movement or fellow Catholic is meant to share in it.

I have also joined a prayer group in my parish. You may be surprised to know that, away from RC, it's possible to experience community in satisfying ways. Sometimes I'm able to share some aspect of Catholic formation with my group, and sometimes I'm able to learn from them. The important thing is that we gather in our shared love of Christ.

As for the comments regarding Mission network and subsidiarity, that I don't know. However, for me, I always felt some discomfort with the business elements. The phrase that always came to my mind was "moneychangers in the temple".

If you feel any unease with the state of the movement, I beleive it's important to trust your instincts. Let me assure you, there is life outside of the movement. If you leave, with faith and trust in God's will, you may reach spiritual heights like you never imagined.

Susan said...

Anon 4:11
There is a nice spiritual high when one realizes what a schmuck she has been in her RC spiritual pride. Having left 9 months ago I can attest to that. I realize there are many people in my parish who may not be catechized but they have something I don't - humility.

Deirdre Mundy said...

J Huddart - Sorry it took me so long to get back to you-- I had a couple of days where the kids needed me more than the internet did! (OK, that's every day - but we had a few there where I didn't get to SIT!)

The best explanation of Subsidiarity is from the Catechism:


1894
In accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, neither the state nor any larger society should substitute itself for the initiative and responsibility of individuals and intermediary bodies.



It’s a core teaching of the Church’s social doctrine. Small and local is usually better than large and impersonal. Only things that can’t be done on a local level should be ‘kicked upstairs.’

You can see how this works with parish CCD programs—each program is different— the pastor and the DRE decide what the community needs. They’ll order books from a big company (it’s too expensive to publish your own books!) but the control of the program and all of the finances are based at the local level.

Even ‘National’ groups like the Knights of Columbus work mostly at the local level. My husband makes his check out to the local council, which has an account at the local bank. Most of the dues go to maintaining the clubhouse and local expenses. Only a tiny portion goes to the national office, and it mostly pays for the magazine subscription.

When you have centralized control like “The Mission Network,” it means that local chapters are no longer able to take care of their own finances and planning. It would be one thing to have a “Challenge Magazine” published at the national level.

It’s quite another to have all the money go through the main office—that means that local clubs lose control AND it increases opportunities for corruption/embezzlement. (Which we know is a problem with Maciel—what percentage of your dues went to support his criminal lifestyle? You’ll never know, because you weren’t allowed to track the money yourself…)

warriorwoman said...

Interesting comment in contrast to Ms. Mundy's - Ms. Mundy should consider Matt 7:1.
BYBISHOP PAT ALO MATI, DAVAO ORIENTAL, PHILLIPPINES
The Human Factor
A revelation regarding the private life of Rev. Marcial Maciel, founder of the Legionaries of Christ, a congregation numbering 500 priests and more than 2,000 seminarians, only shows the human face of the Church, scil. That we can make mistakes. This happened in lives of saints too, like a St. Paul or a St. Augustine , before their conversion. Rev. Marcial Maciels’s immoralities in sex were published at the Latin American Herald Tribune, March 10, 2010, Caracas, Venezuela, also could be accessed thru Internet; this also appears at the March 5, 2010, Friday at A plus Metro supplement of the Philippine Daily Inquirer on page A26. Is it surprising? If he makes mistakes in personal life, you might ask why the fruitful pastoral apostolate of the Legionaries’ group? Well Pope Benedict XVI ordered him to retire to a life of quiet and penance, which he complied with till he died in 2008. The secretary general of their Order, Rev. Evaristo Sada officially asked apology from the public for the said immoralities in the private life of their founder.

This only goes to show how God uses personalities who are sincere in their efforts of God’s service, in spite of personal deficiencies. In the history of the Church God has made use of weak instruments who repented, because after all the Church is the work of God. The human instruments strive to cooperate, notwithstanding personal weaknesses. St. Augustine had said: “God who created you without you cannot save you without your willing cooperation (Deus qui creavit te sine te non potest te salvare sine te). St. Paul says somehow a similar idea; “By God’s grace that is what I am, and the grace that he gave me has not been fruitless” (1 Cor. 15:10). We can believe that idiom: to err is human, to forgive divine.

A member of the feared Hamas organization, Mousab Hassan Yousef, a Palestinian radical group fighting Israel said he is converting to Christianity, since he wants to avert the fighting and deaths between Palestinians and Israelis. All I wish to say is: “Let’s go deeper. Which is true? Both say ‘Islam is peace’, the other one says ‘Christianity is love’. Let’s dialogue, reconcile and talk peacefully and truthfully. Lay down our arms. Because, it’s actions, not words that can convince us who is telling the truth, deep in the heart.” Check this story which is also published in the A plus Metro supplement of the Philippine Daily Inquirer, March 5, 2010, page A26 under the title Hamas who spied for Israel slams Islam. We may be reminded of the saying: “God goes straight through crooked lines.”

Deirdre Mundy said...

Warrior Woman – I don’t think the bishop is talking about Maciel here-- Maciel wasn’t a sinner turned saint. He abused children and embezzled HIS ENTIRE LIFE. It doesn’t make sense to compare him to St. Paul and Augustine.

Rather, I think the bishop is trying to give hope to LC/RC members.

St. Paul didn’t know he was sinning. He thought he was following God’s law, by punishing blasphemers. He believed that Stephen was a criminal, one who deserved to be stoned. When Christ appeared to him, Paul realized that there was a new covenant, and that Stephen had not committed blasphemy. He repented and became a great Saint, a follower of the Risen Lord.

Augustine was honestly searching for truth. He believed that the leaders of the Manicheans were holy men who could show him the path of virtue. When he realized that they’d deceived him, he left. Eventually he met Ambrose and joined the Church.

Sts. Paul and Augustine took some wrong turns in their attempts to know, love, and serve God. Their detours gave them great compassion to others who traveled in the wrong direction—they became great teachers and preachers and used all the gifts God had given them to bring others to the Truth.

RC/LC members have the chance to be Pauls and Augustines-- Maciel lied to you an led you astray. You can turn that hurt into a GIFT – by helping others to understand the faith and to avoid toxic groups.

Maciel is not the ‘crooked line.’ Your own detour on the search for the truth is… For example, Giselle at Life After RC has turned her own bad experiences into a chance to educate and aid others. THAT is the example of St. Augustine—

Maciel sodomized the seminarians mothers entrusted to his care, then lied about them, then pretended the pope had unfairly punished him, and died without ever owning up to his crimes, apologizing, or restoring the victims’ good names. He was not a ‘crooked line’ or a ‘St. Augustine.’ He was a Mao or a Stalin.

Nat said...

"God goes straight through crooked lines"

Right. But sometime those crooked lines he writes with spell "Take your children and run"

Liz said...

I'm a confused onlooker I guess. I've never been involved with the Legion or RC, and I'm not really aware of them being active in our diocese. When I came into the Church I'd heard about the Legion, but my sponsor told me that she knew of families whose sons had been mistreated in Legion seminaries, so I never looked into it any further.

Now I discover that one of the websites I read on a semi-regular basis (Faith and Family) is a Legion sponsored magazine. Something has bothered me about the tone of at least one of the principal people there for a long time, but I hadn't made a connection to the Legion. I'm pretty sure that not all the people who write for F&F are LC/RC, but I'm really wondering if I should be gently encouraging my daughter (who's a new mom) to avoid this site or not.

Has the apostolic visitation actually resulted in any particular action against LC? I'm not finding much new information out there.

apparatus criticus said...

Where can I find good healthy programs for boys and girls like Conquest and Challenge. I agree, they are too hot to touch right now, but where can I find healthy alternatives to those types of programs. Thank you!