Saturday, November 14, 2009

Cognative Dissonance and 40 days for Life

I've noticed a lot of people in favor of abortion are offended by the whole 40 Days for Life/ praying the Rosary thing.

I don't understand.

If you don't believe God exists, shouldn't you be GLAD that pro-lifers are wasting their time praying instead of doing things that might actually stop abortion?

If you believe God exists, and you think he's OK with abortion, shouldn't you be snickering? After all, every Rosary includes multiple Our Fathers, with the prayer "Thy will be done." If God's will is abortion-on-demand, then the pro-lifers praying the Rosary are praying against their own interests!

And, finally, if you believe there is a God, that he listens to prayers, and that he believes Abortion is a sin against the 5th Commandment (Thou Shall Not Kill), yet you support abortion/procure abortions/or DO abortions, isn't the problem really with YOU, not the pro-lifers?

I figure most of the angry people fall into group 3 --because if they really believed that abortion was morally good or morally neutral, why would they get so worked up about it?

BTW-- Just watched the Jaynestown episode of Firefly. I'm glad we're finally getting to watch such a fun show, but I'm irritated that there was only one season!

8 comments:

DaCodger said...
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Robert Kunda said...

What an off-topic comment. Having not read your previous response, I'm a little in the dark, but your comments, to me, seem to betray a certain naivete with regard to biblical stewardship and the value of people.

Your question makes little sense, unless your view on humanity is that people are a luxury that we only add to when excesses remain. This isn't the biblical perspective, which gives the command to be fruitful and multiply, not treat children as a luxury.

If you want to challenge her faithfulness to Christianity with a biblical argument, you might at least put a little effort into, you know, making the challenge biblical.

DaCodger said...
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Robert Kunda said...

As it happens, I went back and read your comments—before your reply, for the record. As it is, I'll stand by my comments.

Your reply didn't clear anything up. It seems it demonstrates more the point I made about the lack of biblical understanding in your objection.

The section of Leviticus that you quoted, you're using incorrectly. You're merely pulling out a few lines trying to proof-text your own point. You're forcing your views on the text, not drawing them from.

As a life-long Southern Baptist, one would hope you had a little more respect for Scripture than this.

If you look at the surrounding verses the admonitions there are regarding treatment of others, as is the section your misused. It speaks of not harvesting all the crops for one's self, but saving for others that want.

DaCodger said...
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Robert Kunda said...

Wow. What an amazing display for a straw-man argument / ad hominem.

DaCodger said...

I couldn't resist coming back after reading this article. How's the Pope for a reference? From CNN....

Sorry you can't admit your argument is weak and that you are not a servant of God willing to protect the environment.

"Pope's peace message focuses on environment

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Pope Benedict XVI urges "respect for creation"
* Message warns of conflict over dwindling natural resources
* Developed nations should adopt "more sober lifestyles," he says

Vatican City (CNN) -- Pope Benedict XVI championed the environment in the Vatican's annual World Day of Peace message.

In his address, called "If You Want to Cultivate Peace, Protect Creation," the pope said peace with the natural environment is the beginning of peace with all of God's creation, including people.

"Respect for creation is of immense consequence, not least because creation is the beginning and the foundation of all God's works, and its preservation has now become essential for the pacific coexistence of mankind," the pope said.

The papal message of peace comes a week after the traditional Christmas address known as "Urbi et Orbi" -- Latin for "To the City and the World" -- a message of hope for the world's afflicted. During the Christmas Eve Mass the night before, Benedict was dragged to the ground after a woman jumped a barrier and grabbed his robes. The pope appeared uninjured.

In his homily, the 82-year-old pontiff asked parishioners to consider the possible effect of an ecological crisis on the stability and peace of the world -- a world in which there is increasing competition for the "fruitfulness of the Earth."

"Can we remain impassive in the face of actual and potential conflicts involving access to natural resources?" the pope asked Friday. "All these are issues with a profound impact on the exercise of human rights, such as the right to life, food, health and development."

"Technologically advanced societies must be prepared to encourage more sober lifestyles, while reducing their energy consumption and improving its efficiency," while preparing "sustainable strategies to satisfy the energy needs of the present and future generations," he said.

Pope Benedict XVI challenged the faithful to be good stewards of what "God has given us," suggesting that peace with the Earth will lead to peace on Earth.

"For this reason, it is imperative that mankind renew and strengthen that covenant between human beings and the environment, which should mirror the creative love of God, from whom we come and toward whom we are journeying," he said."

So now you have a Catholic and Church of England point of view to reference. Go to just about any major evangelical church website and search the environment to see their doctrine.

Robert Kunda said...

Having not archived the comments you deleted, I'm not even sure where this discussion left off.

I really don't even know what your point is. I don't hold the Pope in any kind of ultimate position of authority, so I'm still not sure what follows.

Based on your previous insults, however, I don't suppose anything I say matters much anyway.